These Are NOT Your Liberals
For fucks' sake, people; and by "people" I mean you lefties in North America; quit mistaking third-world sleazeballs for fellow travelers purely on the fact that they auto-identify themselves as "leftist".
Take, for example, that wonderful human being Hugo Chavez. He has, for a long time, defended the Cuban state with all of their repression of human freedom and democracy; but at least there one could claim that he is making the same mistake all of you are making in supporting him (namely, thinking that because Castro is self-denominated "leftist" it means he believes what you believe and must be supported). But what excuse is there for his most recent public endorsement, of Mahmoud Ahmedinajad? He has resounding supported the Iranian president, Supereme Leader, Guardian Council, and the entire Orwellian Theocracy of Iran.
Now hang on, aren't leftists supposed to be against theocracies? Don't Marxists think that priests are scum? Isn't religion the opiate of the masses? So what the fuck is going on? It couldn't be that Chavez doesn't give a fuck about socialism, and him and Ahmedinajad are buddies and business partners, both in commerce and in their rabid anti-americanism, can it?
THIS MAN DOES NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.
Take also Ignacio "Lula" Da Silva. A much less extremist figure than Chavez, but also a darling of the middle-class first-world fashionable Left. He has just signed a bill in Brazil that allows for any number of atrocities. For starters, it allocates a chunk of the Amazon the size of France to farmers. That's right, a piece of the Amazon the size of France is now being cut down thanks to this great leftist paragon. The bill goes beyond that, its implications being that anyone can now illegally occupy any piece of property in Brazil and through that occupation make a claim over it, essentially legalizing squatting and denying the inalienable human right to legal property.
I know that normally that sort of thing doesn't really bother leftists, but consider what that means in Brazil. Aside from massive unrest and class-based civil war; it could also mean that now ANYONE could go to the Amazon, lay claim to a chunk of it, burn it to the ground and turn it into a mercury mining operation or a cattle ranch, and they'd have a legal precedent to do so. This bill is an open invitation to devastate the Amazon Rainforest in Brazil.
So, again, THIS MAN DOES NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.
Get over the idea that someone wearing a "leftist" banner means that he's one of the good guys and the others are the "bad guys". That's just not true, especially in the third world.
RPGPundit
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Well, inasmuch as some leftists believe that "property is theft," I suppose one could argue that a squatter's rights are as valid as any other rights. But on the whole, you are right: "left" means very different things in different areas and to different people.
Wow.
I think that's true of any political term. One term can mean something very different in another culture than it does in America.
So... am I able to for the cost of a plane ticket able to grab myself a nice piece of lush Amazon rainforest and be legal? Because if that's the case I'd prefer not to slash and burn it. If we get a few million folks like me, wouldn't that fix the problem? And then I could have me some Amazon... which would rock.
I don't think I know any lefties who speak well of Ahmedinajad. Where are you getting your impression of this?
What jrients said. I've heard people on the Left being skeptical that the election was stolen, at least at the beginning before there was much evidence for that narrative outside of the claims of the opposition and our own wishful thinking that the Iranian government had been that stupid. I've heard people on the Left point out that Moussavi is just a part of the same theocratic elite, and is just a political rival of Khomeini, and thus express reservations about the potential of this movement (as long as it sticks only to a purely electoral thing, rather than something more radical). And I've heard people express the idea that one must be cautious of how we express support for the protesters when a significant faction in the USA are just cynically exploiting these people as an excuse to "Bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran".
I've not heard a single leftist express support for Ahmedinajad or expressing anything but sympathy for the protest movement that's sweeping Iran. Now, mind you, it wouldn't surprise me that the Stalinists at International A.N.S.W.E.R. would (they have a weird analysis where any leader that opposes the USA is de facto an agent in favor of the inevitable communist revolution), but I haven't seen it myself yet.
Jeff and Dark,
RPGPundit wasn't saying leftists go out of their way to support Ahmedinajad, he was saying that (certain) leftists support Chavez. And that Chavez supports Ahmedinajad, and that therefore there's a contradiction about that.
Exactly, Zak got it. Lefties in north america like to make excuses for Chavez and admire him. Well, "your hero" just declared his unquestioning support for Ahmedinajad, and that those who oppose the (fraudulent) election results should be crushed.
Also, did this post end up linked somewhere unusual? I notice a lot of new people commenting.
One interesting thing I have observed about American politics...
People on both the "left" and the "right" are not nessicarrially against the idea of a dictatorial ruler... So long as that dictator is seen or percieved to share thier values and is considered "one of them".
Both Lincon and Roosevelt were able to suspend parts of the US constitution, and rule with virtual dictatorial power during their respective two great crisis.
Which brings up an interesting question going forward Jaeger,
People seem to trust Obama with the increased government control over the financial industry... but how about the next person who gets what the Onion called "the least-desirable job in the entire country."
@Jaeger - The thing about democracy (and it's representative variants) is that to truly support it, you have to be willing to accept that sometimes you are going to lose and not get your way. And if people believe they absolutely must get their way, must have control, and can't risk letting the other side win, then democracy is a problem for them that they'll need to figure out how to subvert or undermine.
Um, they're all bad guys. Per Marcuse, they have to stick together so they can screw over the rest of us.
So RPGpundit, what's your take on the Honduran thing. Over at a certain other web site they're all hot and heavy about how the Honduran Constitution is garbage & the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court aren't capable of declaring the actions of the former Honduran President un-Constitutional because their forebearers failed to make a a workable Constition. Instead, they should trust Chavez and Obama to re-install the ex-President because if Chavez and Obama agree on something it must be correct. Me, I'm just a crazy North American who says if Chavez is for something then no matter who agrees with him it is still probably a bad idea.
These constitutions that have rules on re-election of public officials (Uruguay has it too, though not as strict as Honduras'; here a president can run again but not CONSECUTIVELY) are set up due to a long history of corruption and democracies having slid into autocracies; they are a hard-won safeguard against the syndrome that has come up all too often in latinamerica of "Presidents for life" manipulating the system to stay in power.
In latinamerican countries, term limits for presidents are a very important safeguard to democracy.
I don't really think that a coup d'etat was a good thing for Honduras, because that ALSO destabilizes democracy in a horrible way, but the real problem was that this guy had already demonstrated that he was going to patently ignore the decisions of both congress and the supreme court, meaning that what he was doing was already effectively a coup.
So they both suck, but its probably for the best that the Army got rid of this asshole, so long as they don't now decide to go whole-hog and take power for themselves or suspend the democratic process.
A military coup d'etat cannot be allowed to succeed in Latin America. If a president must be removed from power, it should be done legally.
The problem was that the Honduran constitution contained absolutely no means by which to legally remove a president. The president could be stark raving looney and want to command his people to burn the cities and dive into the ocean because they would then magically transform into dolphins, and there'd be no "legal" way of removing him.
And that was what, in essence, this president was doing; he had decided to blatantly ignore the ruling of Congress and the supreme court, and order the army to set up a referendum that had been expressly forbidden by the constitution and congress.
The equivalent would be something like if George W. Bush had said "You know what? Screw this term limits business, I want a referendum on running a third term". Congress tells him "no way". He does it anyways. The supreme court rules it illegal. He does it anyways, and orders the military to go set up the election booths throughout the country.
The difference is that in the U.S. by that point congress would impeach the bastard, and drag him kicking and screaming out of the white house, legally, because he's no longer president.
But in Honduras, the president can't be impeached. I agree that should be changed; but are you saying that otherwise they should put up with a President that was criminal, or insane, or who wants to set fire to the entire country, or sell Honduras to the Dutch, or who's having sex with farm animals on the presidential desk on live TV, or who wants to destroy honduran democracy by removing any semblance of balance of powers by blatantly ignoring both the legislative and judicial branches and doing whatever the fuck he wants (this last case being exactly what happened this time)?
I mean, how would YOU deal with this? Just ignore him? Isn't that just as unconstitutional?
The only real alternative would have been total legislative, judicial, and social anarchy until the end of Zelaya's term, as congress would have basically had to refuse to acknowledge any mandate he had, while groups like the military, the social bureaucracy, police, etc. were caught in the middle trying to decide whether they should obey utterly contradictory orders from the president (ordered without legislative approval) or the congress (ordered without presidential authority). No doubt riots would end up breaking out in a situation like this, as basic services began to be compromised; and possibly worse would happen.
So really, would that ultimately have been a BETTER situation for Honduran stability, than a coup that lasted about 10 hours before full authority was restored to a new civilian president?
Honduras has no legal impeachment mechanism? Ok, that *is* insane.
Yup. I can imagine how such a thing came to be historically, someone probably figured it was too risky to allow impeachment; it was an attempted safeguard just like absolute one-term limits were a safeguard.
One thing is clear: the Honduran constitution is set up based on the assumption that Honduran Politicians are a gang of power-mad assholes who will try to destroy democracy first chance they get.
And judging from all sides of this debauchle, I'd say that was spot on.
I like Chavez, he seems fairly principled in standing up for the interests of his people against the power of international finance, fronted by the US government. I don't agree with his view on Castro, but I understand that from the perspective of poor Central & South Americans, Castro's defiance and perseverance in the face of US hostility (& failed assassination attempts) is something to be admired.
As for Mahmoud Ahmedinajad, if he was a pro-israel, theocratic dictator, our government and media wouldn't have too much to say about him. He hasn't started any wars, unlike many of our presidents. He hasn't slaughtered innocent civilians by the thousands, unlike isreal in Gaza (caged civilians no less). If Mahmoud Ahmedinajad was a corrupt, pliant pro-israeli president our establishment would treat him with the same respect afforded to the likes of "pro-western" president-for-life Hosni Mubarak of Egypt or the islamo-despots, I mean "monarchs" of Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
Simply put, any foreign leader our corporate media and hyper-corrupt government goes out of thier way to demonize can't be all that bad.